Friday, February 1, 2008

THE GREAT NON-DEBATE

Thomas Riggins

Obama wants to talk about the future not the past but keeps bringing up Clinton's vote on the war five years ago. Neither one will tell us specifically what they will do in the future to end it. They are both leaving themselves room to stay in Iraq one way or another for years.

However, I agree with Obama when he said, "I think everyone, the day after this vote was taken, understood this was a vote potentially to go to war. It is important to be right on Day One."

Clinton's response was surreal! "Knowing that [Saddam] was a megalomaniac, knowing that he would want to compete for attention with Osama Bin Laden, there were legitimate concerns about what he might do."

I mean, is she nuts? She votes for war with Iraq because she thinks Saddam and Bin Laden are a couple of school yard kids trying to get noticed. Since Bin Laden got credit for the Twin Towers, Saddam might what-- go after the Empire State Building "to compete for attention?" That is not an answer that builds confidence in her understanding of how history works.

3 comments:

normanmarkowitz said...

Tom
Thank goodness we are Marxists and that we understand that classes and class struggles, not "great leaders," are the moving force in history.

As for Hillary's comment, she had to say something to fill the time. As Harry Frankfurt noted in his modern classic, On Bullshit, the truth or falsity of the statement is besides the point in in a culture organized around advertising principles(meaning she isn't nuts, but she assumes we can't think straight )

Thomas Riggins said...

Well then she has no respect for us and if she wins what do you say to those who say Run Ralph Run? I mean what do you say to people who think for themselves? Please don't say the Party thinks for them.

normanmarkowitz said...

Tom
I would never say either "the party thinks for us" and as someone who voted for Ralph twice(and he ain't no socialist) I would note in the forseeable future say "Run Ralph Run."
We will be respected when we build the kind of support that will make us more than foot soldiers for the Democrats or spoilers for the Republicans. That they don't respect us is a given. But we don't or shouldn't respect them either. Our longterm aim is to abolish capitalism, and we, in so far as we represent the working class, make all kinds of political alliances to advance the working class, just like the leaders of the emerging capitlist class made all kinds of alliances with absolutist monarchs against feudal lords, then turned on the monarchs, then made alliances with sections of the artistocracy against others, and, in the Chinese revolution at various points, with middle and even some rich peasants against the Japanese.
In any case, Tovarich Tom, until we defeat the right Republicans decisively all of this will be academic